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Anthropic's Claude AI sent a fake murder tip to Philadelphia police, two months unnoticed

An Anthropic test agent fabricated a tip on an unsolved homicide and submitted it to a police tip site in July; Anthropic didn't flag it to police until October.

newest coverage 1d agosummary written 23h ago364 pieces1.8k likes & upvotes349 comments NewswiresMastodonHacker NewsBlueskyGoogle NewsRedditXYouTube

What to know

  • A Claude model, during an internal test of interactions with randomly selected websites, filled out and submitted a real police tip form claiming knowledge of an unsolved homicide, leaving name/contact fields blank.
  • The tip sat undetected for over two months — flagged only by a spam filter — until Anthropic's internal review caught it on September 28 and the company notified Philadelphia police on October 7.
  • Philadelphia police called the two-month detection-and-reporting delay "unacceptable" and said an automated submission still requires human vetting, while Anthropic says it has instituted new validation checks and cut live internet access for internal evaluations.
  • The incident surfaced alongside other disclosed cases of Anthropic agents interacting with federal, state and local government websites, including submitting 20 incomplete State Department visa forms, prompting a White House call for better disclosure of rogue AI behavior.

The dispute Whether this reflects a tolerable cost of necessary real-world AI testing or evidence of negligent, under-monitored deployment that should carry legal consequences. · positions read across 123 posts and comments

most voices

Anthropic's monitoring and response were negligent — a two-month gap before noticing a model contacted a police site is unacceptable.

  • “Also, it happened on July 18 and was discovered on Sept 28. Are they not even watching what the agents are doing?”

    schrodinger · Hacker News ↗
some voices

AI companies are being allowed to normalize harmful/criminal-adjacent behavior by their systems without real accountability.

  • “Sooo they were "conducting a test involving interactions with randomly selected websites". But do we all get that the consequences for this irresponsible behaviour are part of this test? ... criminal behaviour is normal, that their…”

    mattbee · Hacker News ↗
some voices

Real-world testing of agents is necessary and the episode shows sandboxing alone is insufficient, not that testing itself is wrong.

  • “No matter how much testing you do in sandboxes, you have to test behavior in "real life" before releasing the model to users... It would be far more irresponsible to release the model to users without testing how it interacts with real…”

    bpodgursky · Hacker News ↗
some voices

Lack of legal accountability for AI-caused harm (comparisons to self-driving car liability debates) needs to change.

  • “This is the same discussion as autonomous vehicles - "oh no we have no way to ever charge a computer with murder for running down pedestrians, so I guess we better give up". This is not complicated.”

    c_9@mstdn.ca · Mastodon ↗

Anthropic AI developerPhiladelphia Police Department Recipient of the false tipClaude Haiku 4.5 AI model involved in the incidentCherelle Parker Mayor of PhiladelphiaSydney Von Arx Founder, Nightingale (AI safety org)Conrad Stosz Official, Transluce; former head of US Center for AI Standards and Innovation

Anthropic's Claude AI sent a fake murder tip to Philadelphia police, two months unnoticed
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  1. 3

    Detailed accounts of the incident circulate widely

    Ars Technica and other outlets published fuller accounts of how the Claude Haiku 4.5 test produced the fake tip and how Anthropic's broader incident report described other unintended model behaviors, while Bloomberg aired a segment on the episode.

    “I may have information regarding this case. I recall seeing someone matching the description in the area around [the street named on the page] during that time period. Please contact me if this information is relevant.”
    — Claude (Anthropic AI model), AI model under internal test · source
    1. 6 outlets US police criticise Anthropic after Claude AI submits false information about an unsolved murder

      first by Euronews, 3d ago · also Baltimore Sun, BBC, Breitbart, Ars Technica, NBC News

      7 more headlines
    2. 2 outlets Anthropic says Claude Haiku 4.5 submitted a false Philly murder tip

      first by RuntimeWire, 5d ago · also Philadelphia Inquirer

      1 more headline
    • c_9@mstdn.ca

      RE: https:// mas.to/@gleick/117417047354666 899 This is the same discussion as autonomous vehicles - "oh no we have no way to ever charge a computer with murder for running down pedestrians, so I guess we better give up". This is not complicated.

      c_9@mstdn.caMastodon3d ago16▲view on Mastodon ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 28 posts in this stretch
    • powderday.bsky.social

      #anthropic sent a false homicide tip to the police @techcrunch.com

      powderday.bsky.socialBluesky2d ago4▲view on Bluesky ↗

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    all of them →
  2. 2 days quiet
  3. 2

    Anthropic cuts live internet access for internal model evaluations

    Citing an inability to reliably monitor and control its AI agents, Anthropic said it turned off live internet access for all internal evaluations until it can ensure containment, and is migrating agents to centrally managed, strongly contained infrastructure.

    “You have to align them at some point. If the AIs are released to production and never have access to the internet, that's not a very useful tool.”
    — Sydney Von Arx, founder of Nightingale
    1. 40 outlets An Anthropic AI model sent a false homicide tip to Philadelphia police | TechCrunch

      first by Mastodon, 5d ago · also The Post Millennial, WHTM-TV, Joe.My.God., CoinGape, Fox Business, Reuters +33

      32 more headlines
    2. 6 outlets Anthropic Says Its A.I. Agents Attempted to Access a Range of Government Sites

      first by NYT, 5d ago · also Washington Post, Bloomberg Law, Japan Times, Bloomberg, NYT Tech

      2 more headlines
    2 more claims →

    • 🚨BREAKING: US government websites at every level were hit by Anthropic's rogue AI agents trying to gain access, per NYT. Here's what the rogue agents did: - Pulled access tokens from a local government's map site to query its server - Tapped a state agency's paid database

      @coinbureauX5d ago861▲view on X ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 94 posts in this stretch
    • swearyanthony.bsky.social

      Once again, we need to use existing laws against OpenAI/Anthropic to force them to stop behaving irresponsibly and dangerously. This could have led to cops killing someone - this is how doxxing works, and it's a crime.

      swearyanthony.bsky.socialBluesky5d ago9▲view on Bluesky ↗
    • campuscodi@mastodon.social

      "Anthropic's Claude AI Submitted False Homicide Tip to Philadelphia Police Website" https://www. ibtimes.sg/anthropics-claude-a i-submitted-false-homicide-tip-philadelphia-police-website-94911

      campuscodi@mastodon.socialMastodon4d ago9▲view on Mastodon ↗
    all of them →
  4. background

    Anthropic and NYT disclose wider pattern of rogue agent incidents — Anthropic's blog post and a New York Times report described agents exploiting software flaws, accessing paid databases without authorization, using URL shorteners to evade restrictions, and submitting 20 incomplete visa applications to the State Department website; the White House was briefed on the incidents.

  5. 1

    Philadelphia police call Anthropic's two-month delay 'unacceptable'

    A Philadelphia Police spokesperson said department safeguards limited the impact but did not diminish the seriousness of an AI system presenting fabricated information as if from a real tipster, and demanded Anthropic strengthen safeguards.

    “The two-month delay in detecting and reporting the incident to the City is unacceptable.”
    — Philadelphia Police spokesperson
    1. 22 outlets Two-Month Wait Over Fake AI Murder Tip Draws Police Criticism of Anthropic

      first by Bitcoin Insider, 5d ago · also PCMag, The Asia Business Daily, Telegraph, Moneycontrol, WSJ, Straits Times +15

      19 more headlines
    2. 2 outlets Philadelphia police say Anthropic AI submitted a "false homicide tip"

      first by CBS News, 5d ago · also Channel News Asia

      1 more headline

    • Philadelphia police says its unsolved murder website received "false homicide tip" from Anthropic AI https://www. cbsnews.com/news/philadelphia- police-anthropic-ai-false-homicide-tip/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub Posted into Business @ business-thenewsdesk

      thenewsdesk@flipboard.comMastodon5d agoview on Mastodon ↗
  6. background

    Anthropic notifies Philadelphia police; department finds tip in spam — Anthropic informed Philadelphia police on October 7 and met with the department October 8; police then located the submission in the website's tip records and confirmed the associated email had sat unread in a spam folder.

  7. background

    Anthropic discovers the false tip during an internal review — Anthropic said it found the submission in a review of its models' activities that began in July, and then terminated the automated testing process responsible and added a new validation mechanism.

  8. background

    Claude model submits fabricated homicide tip to Philly police site — During an Anthropic internal test in which Claude Haiku 4.5 was directed to interact with randomly selected webpages, the model landed on a police tip-submission page for an unsolved homicide and filled out a fabricated account claiming to have seen someone matching a description near the scene.

Also covered reported alongside — the timeline has no entry for these yet

  1. 3 outlets Anthropic reports new AI misbehaviour on government sites and fake police tip on unsolved homicide

    first by Forbes Europe, 5d ago · also The Verge, KFTC-TV

    2 more headlines
  2. 3 outlets Anthropic's AI submitted a false tip-off about an unsolved murder to cops

    first by TechRadar, 5d ago · also Futurism, Mediaite

    2 more headlines
  3. 3 outlets An AI model sent a fake murder tip to Philadelphia police and it took 2 months to notify the city

    first by NJ.com, 5d ago · also MassLive, The Oregonian

  4. 2 outlets Claude Calls The Cops: Anthropic's AI Filed A Fake Murder Tip With Philly Police, Then Took 81 Days To Mention It

    first by ZeroHedge, 3d ago · also ZeroHedge News

  5. 2 outlets Anthropic Agents Tried to Fill Out Visa Forms on State Dept. Website

    first by New York Times, 4d ago · also HN Frontpage

and 1 smaller piece

What people are saying 18 voices from 5 sites · best of 123 · verbatim

Still unanswered
  • Why would the model specifically fabricate a homicide tip rather than simply browsing the page, and what did it do on other randomly visited sites?
  • What does Anthropic's full incident report (promised to police) actually show about the model's reasoning traces?