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Device fingerprinting replaces third-party cookies as primary web tracking method

As browser restrictions tighten on cookies, advertisers are adopting fingerprinting—extracting unique device identifiers from browser data—to track users across the web.

What to know

  • Device fingerprinting has emerged as the primary tracking method replacing third-party cookies, extracting unique browser identifiers from OS, user agent, hardware, and IP data.
  • Google promised to eliminate third-party cookies in 2020 but instead maintained tracking via alternative methods, including fingerprinting in its ad products.
  • Technical defenses exist (Tor Browser, privacy-first configs) but are not widely accessible; mainstream browsers like Chrome and Safari do not fully protect users from fingerprinting.
  • The fingerprinting technique's persistence—whether it remains stable enough for consistent tracking across sessions—is contested among developers; practical commercial viability differs from theoretical demonstration.

The dispute Whether device fingerprinting is practically effective for commercial tracking at scale or remains mostly theoretical; commenters dispute the reliability and persistence of fingerprints across sessions. · positions read across 81 posts and comments

many voices

Fingerprinting is theoretically possible but impractical at commercial scale due to lack of stability across sessions.

  • “Just because someone can theoretically demonstrate your fingerprint today doesn't mean you have the same fingerprint in a few days. It's that kind of stability that you actually need for consistent matching for advertising or tracking…”

    legitster · Hacker News ↗
many voices

Fingerprinting is a serious privacy threat that current browser protections do not adequately defend against.

  • “Fingerprinting is really bad for privacy and the defenses against it are not there.”

    Cider9986 · Hacker News ↗
some voices

The root problem is JavaScript's excessive power; stricter browser permission controls are needed to limit fingerprinting vectors.

  • “The problem is Javascript and its implementation. Plain HTML does not offer nearly as many fingerprinting opportunities. It's basically IP + user agent, both of which can be spoofed. Javascript grants websites far too much power over the…”

    drnick1 · Hacker News ↗
some voices

Only a comprehensive ban on third-party advertising can solve the tracking problem; technical mitigations are insufficient.

  • “Theres only one solution, ban third party advertising. Everything else is a compromise that doesnt work anyway.”

    MiroslavPokorny · Hacker News ↗

Royfish Developer and analystGoogle Browser vendor and ad platform operator

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    Developer publishes analysis of fingerprinting as successor to cookies

    Royfish publishes a detailed technical essay demonstrating how device fingerprinting works and arguing it has become the de facto replacement for third-party cookies in web tracking. The piece traces the regulatory and industry path from cookies to fingerprinting, showing how companies have sidestepped privacy protections.

    “I look at all this data and I don't see people. I see patterns. Patterns emerging out of patterns. A living, digital fractal state of the economy, society and human psyche.”
    — Royfish
    1. first by HN Best, 3d ago · also HN Frontpage

    • > The law could be very simple A classic of the "why don't we just?" genre. The law is complicated for a reason (I say as someone who worked on privacy matters as a lawyer). So let's talk about your proposed law #1. I run ZomboCom LLC, and I have some users who've given me money in exchange for being part of the ZomboCommmunity. It's coming to the…

      mjecprivacy2d ago24▲view on Lobsters ↗
    2 more of the top 3 · 81 posts in this stretch
    • > The request already reveals information about you; what browser you use, the language it’s in, the OS that runs it and your IP address, which the server needs to send you the response. That often reveals your location.If we control the servers the clients are connecting to, I don't see how there could be much hope of hiding. We can spoof things…

      bob1029Hacker News2d agoview on Hacker News ↗
    • Wishful thinking, but I wonder how the internet would be different if we just made it illegal to sell information about people.

      icefoxprivacy2d ago24▲view on Lobsters ↗
    all of them →
  2. background

    Google enables device fingerprinting in ad products — Google moves to permit device fingerprinting as an official tracking method within its ad products, extracting unique identifiers from browser configurations, user agents, OS data, IP addresses, and other metadata.

  3. background

    Google abandons cookie deprecation; maintains tracking via IP masking and Privacy Sandbox — Five years after the pledge, Google maintains third-party cookies while proposing alternative tracking methods like IP masking (with limited scope) and Privacy Sandbox solutions. The Privacy Sandbox raises antitrust concerns and sees low adoption.

  4. background

    Google pledges to destroy third-party cookies and establish privacy-first browsing — Google announces it will deprecate third-party cookies and establish what it calls a 'privacy-first reign' in ad technology.

  5. background

    Third-party cookies become privacy liability; browsers begin blocking them — Amid growing privacy concerns, Safari and Firefox begin blocking third-party cookies. The EU introduces consent banners. Third-party cookie tracking becomes recognized as bad PR.

What people are saying 21 voices from 2 sites · best of 81 · verbatim