OpenAI's revenue signal turns murky, rattling AI stocks
Investor memos showing OpenAI's annualized revenue near $50bn, not the widely cited $70bn, triggered a tech selloff and a fight over what the real number means.
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What to know
- OpenAI's internal investor memos put September annualized revenue near $50bn, $20bn below the $70bn figure that had circulated since late September without correction.
- Much of the gap is attributed to differing accounting conventions: Anthropic counts gross revenue including cloud-partner sales, while OpenAI counts only its own net share.
- The report triggered a tech-stock selloff — Nasdaq down 1.25%, Nvidia down nearly 3%, with Oracle and CoreWeave also hit — and renewed scrutiny of AI valuations ahead of OpenAI's expected 2027 IPO.
- Commentators disagree on whether the episode signals weakening AI demand and OpenAI opacity, or is simply a methodology mismatch overblown by media coverage.
The dispute Whether the $20bn gap reflects genuinely weaker AI demand and OpenAI opacity, or is simply a methodology mismatch that media outlets mishandled into a false story. · positions read across 70 posts and comments
This is an accounting/methodology mismatch, not a real revenue shortfall, and the story is overblown.
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“For those that care about the truth: This is a non-story.”
qwerasdf5 · Hacker News ↗
The episode exposes OpenAI's opacity and is a sign the AI bubble is deflating.
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“Ooops. OpenAI's manipulated annual revenue is not 70 billion as claimed before but just 50 billion. Which is significantly less. Is that good?”
tante · Mastodon ↗
Media outlets amplified an unverified number and are responsible for the confusion.
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“The headline should've been "OpenAI annualised revenues $20B less than previously signalled by us". The FT is just reporting high number to create a story, then a low number to create another story.”
underyx · Hacker News ↗
OpenAI AI company at center of the revenue disputeFinancial Times Outlet that broke the revenue discrepancyAnthropic Rival AI lab used as revenue comparison pointNvidia Chipmaker affected by the market reaction
How it unfolded 7 developments, newest first · click a bar or a number to jump articlesvideospostscomments
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FT and Bloomberg dissect what the murky metric means for Wall Street
Follow-up analysis examined how vague annualized-revenue disclosures could inflate valuations ahead of a planned IPO, while a renewed selloff in Nvidia, Oracle and CoreWeave showed the market still treating the figures as consequential.
“AI Bubble Teetering on the Brink as OpenAI Admits to Massive Financial Failure in Leaked Documents…”
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Both inside the Singularity, and with an AI bubble highly likely to burst. Interesting times. https:// futurism.com/future-society/ai -financial-bubble-openai-billions-failure
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Yes, because the average Joe needs to create a website. That's what missing in our lives. Let's spend 240 a year so we can create a website! Still, ignoring the above, I 've created websites at the fraction of the cost in a week with already available tools and I am just a normal guy. And I am talking about actual, functional ecommerce websites…
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OpenAI's actual annualized revenue appears to be significantly lower than the $70 billion previously reported, raising fresh questions about the AI lab's financial… #AI #OpenAI #TechNews
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Futurism frames episode as sign AI bubble is 'teetering'
Coverage linked the revenue gap to broader doubts about AI industry economics, noting it followed a Bain & Co report that the industry would need $6 trillion in annual revenue by 2031 to justify data-center spending.
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1 outlet AI Bubble Teetering on the Brink as OpenAI Admits to Massive Financial Failure in Leaked Documents
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It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. The exact same net amount of money would change hands and the exact same actions would have occurred. The situations are identical. Both economists have the same amount of money. Both economists have eaten shit. Both are happy with the arrangement, because they both agreed to both transactions. Therefore, they…
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Watch OpenAI Targets $70 Billion in Annualized Revenue by Year-End - Bloomberg https://www. bloomberg.com/news/videos/2026 -10-09/openai-targets-70b-in-annualized-revenue-by-year-end-video?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub Posted into Bloomberg Television @ bloomberg-television-bloomberg
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Rebuilding does raise gdp, yes. But the destruction lowered net domestic product. Keep in mind too that disasters in general lower gdp simply because production is disrupted as well. If you want a metric that cares about stuff like that you should look into net domestic product, which subtracts depreciation from gdp. It’s harder to measure but…
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Commentators split over whether the gap is a real red flag
Online discussion divided between those calling the episode a meaningful sign of slowing AI demand or OpenAI opacity, and those arguing it is an accounting mismatch amplified by media into a non-story.
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Conflicting coverageSome outlets still cite $70bn target
Even as the lower figure spread, other outlets reported OpenAI was still projecting $70bn in annualized revenue by the end of 2026, underscoring confusion over which number reflects the company's actual guidance.
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first by Bloomberg Tech, 5d ago · also Seeking Alpha, Yahoo Finance, Bloomberg
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- OpenAI reportedly targets $70B annualized revenue by end of 2026 Seeking Alpha · 5d ago
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We actually have a lot of information on this [1], just indirectly: reported figures, revenue commitments with the hyperscalers, announced funding rounds, and so on. The hyperscalers invest directly in OpenAI and Anthropic, so their bets rest on growth they can see from the inside. They have a clear view of the slope of the curve.OpenAI is already…
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Watch OpenAI Expects $70 Bln Annualized Revenue by End of 2026 - Bloomberg https://www. bloomberg.com/news/videos/2026 -10-09/openai-expects-70-bln-annualized-revenue-by-end-of-2026-video?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub Posted into Bloomberg Television @ bloomberg-television-bloomberg
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Casual Finance did a video on this recently. He explains that prior to 2012 there was a rule that private companies would need to start reporting their financials once they reach the threshold of 500 investors. Because of this they would usually just choose to go public at that point. But since the rule was removed, companies are waiting longer…
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Tech stocks sell off on the revenue report
US markets fell after the FT report, with the Nasdaq down about 1.25% and the S&P 500 down 0.47% on the day; Nvidia dropped nearly 3% as AI-supply-chain names were hit hardest.
“For those that care about the truth: This is a non-story.”
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> OpenAI is under pressure to justify its $852 billion valuation to investors as it gears up for what is widely expected to be a blockbuster IPO. OpenAI confidentially filed its prospectus with regulators in June, and executives have signaled that the company is eyeing a 2027 debut.> Anthropic is also readying for a major IPO. The company has not…
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For those that care about the truth: This is a non-story.The $70b estimate was based on a comparison to Anthropic, which includes revenue from cloud providers. OpenAI does not include this in their numbers.So, the number did not come from OpenAI. It was an accounting mistake made by some investors and media, who did not adjust for this before…
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Honest question, everyone really hates annualized revenue, but how else do you measure the revenue for a company that is (presumably) growing so much month over month? You can't just state revenue projections because they are growing too fast for them to ever make much sense.Obviously for fast-growing companies, they always want to overstate their…
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Discrepancy traced to accounting-method mismatch with Anthropic
Reporting indicated the $70bn figure arose when OpenAI's own investors tried to produce a direct comparison with Anthropic's revenue, which includes gross sales booked through cloud partners, while OpenAI records only its own net share.
“The headline should've been "OpenAI annualised revenues $20B less than previously signalled by us"”
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There are bits and pieces of info scattered everywhere but no coherent picture. We know from a16z report [1] that only 2% of US households pay for AI subscriptions, so most of the seat based pricing comes from business and enterprise agreements. We know that OpenAI ads business has $1 billion USD in annualised revenue run rate [2]. We know from…
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> zero information on how it’s doingI think the fact that we have so little information is the most important information we have. If OpenAI had a sound business plan and was on strong financial footing, they'd have IPO'd.All of this continued stalling and obfuscation can only mean one thing, IMO: OpenAI has no long-term viability and they're…
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What regulation makes it so that a large private company would have to go public? You have it backwards. Increased regulations make it more burdensome for a company to go public, driving companies like OpenAI to remain private. If you made it less expensive and burdensome to IPO (decreased regulation), you would see companies go IPO earlier.This…
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FT reveals OpenAI's revenue guidance $20bn below prior reports
The Financial Times reported, based on internal investor memos from late September, that OpenAI's annualized revenue was approaching $50bn — $20bn less than the $70bn figure that had been widely reported and left uncorrected.
“AI giant recently told investors the key figure was approaching $50bn in September, far less than the $70bn that was widely reported…”
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first by Quartz, 5d ago · also Yahoo Finance, Forkast, Shelly Palmer, Seoul Economic Daily, Reuters, The Straits Times +3
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- OpenAi Revenue Falls Short by $20 Billion NewsMax.com · 5d ago
- OpenAI Projects $20 Billion Jump in Annualized Revenue Before Year End PYMNTS.com · 5d ago
- OpenAI now expects $70 billion in revenue by end of 2026 Yahoo Finance · 5d ago
- OpenAI Revenue $20 Billion Lower Than Previously Reported, Raising Questions About AI Boom Trak.in · 5d ago
- OpenAI's Revenue Appears $20 Billion Lighter Than Reported — and the Gap Is Accounting, Not Demand Forkast · 5d ago
- OpenAI Revenue May Be Off By $20 Billion Shelly Palmer · 5d ago
- OpenAI Annualized Revenue Nears $50 Billion, Far Below $70 Billion Estimate Seoul Economic Daily · 5d ago
- OpenAI's September annualized revenue nears $50 billion, less than previously indicated Reuters · 5d ago
- OpenAI's annualised revenue US$20 billion less than previously signalled: Report The Straits Times · 5d ago
- OpenAI's Annualized Revenue Neared $50 Billion, Lower Than Past Reports The Information · 5d ago
- Why is OpenAI's annualized revenue $20 billion below earlier estimates? Hindustan Times · 5d ago
- OpenAI's annualized revenue $20 billion lower than prior investor estimates Yahoo Finance · 5d ago
- OpenAI Annualized Revenue $20 Billion Short, Says Report. AI Stocks Fall. Investor's Business Daily · 5d ago
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first by Channel News Asia, 5d ago · also Investing.com News, Reuters, Bloomberg
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- OpenAI’s September annualized revenue nears $50 billion, less than previously indicated, source says Investing.com News · 5d ago
- OpenAI’s Revenue Run Rate Nears $50 Billion, Less Than Reported Bloomberg.com · 4d ago
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🦔The Financial Times reports OpenAI told investors its annualized revenue was approaching $50 billion in September. Last week a source told Axios and Reuters the figure was nearing $70 billion, and that number ran everywhere. My Take Annualized revenue sounds official, but it
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This is going to get blown out of proportion. Just so we're all on the same page, this is the actual (initial) published story www.ft.com/content/b66a... Simple misunderstanding that does not change the trajectory, which is more important than the absolute value at this point
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Ooops. OpenAI's manipulated annual revenue is not 70 billion as claimed before but just 50 billion. Which is significantly less. Is that good? https://www. ft.com/content/b66a9858-f8fb-4 6cb-b506-44bfe26fca2a?syn-25a6b1a6=1
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first by Investing.com News, 4d ago · also Bloomberg, Quartz, Yahoo Finance Australia
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- OpenAI Expects $70 Bln Annualized Revenue by End of 2026 Bloomberg Tech · 4d ago
- OpenAI is still projecting $70 billion in annualized revenue by end of 2026 Quartz · 4d ago
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first by Newsquawk, 5d ago · also FT, HN Best, HN Frontpage
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- OpenAI annualised revenues $20bn less than previously signalled Financial Times · 5d ago
- OpenAI annualised revenues $20B less than previously signalled HN Best · 5d ago
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3 outlets Micron, Nvidia and AI chip stocks fall as report on OpenAI’s revenue causes ‘undue concern’
first by MarketWatch, 5d ago · also The Hindu, RTÉ
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- OpenAI revenue gap report rattles AI stocks The Hindu · 5d ago
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first by SiliconANGLE, 5d ago · also CNN, Barron's
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What people are saying 13 voices from 4 sites · best of 70 · verbatim
- What is OpenAI's actual, verifiable annualized revenue figure?
- Will OpenAI or Anthropic clarify or standardize their revenue-accounting methodologies?
- Does this episode foreshadow a broader correction in AI industry valuations ahead of planned IPOs?
- Oct 11
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One useful apples-to-apples table would state the exact window and definition behind each annualized figure (for example, recognized paid revenue versus bookings or contract value), then split consumer subscriptions, API usage, and enterprise revenue. I’d keep the $70B December target as a separate scenario from the $50B September estimate in any…
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🎈 💨 # AI "OpenAI’s annualised revenue is about $20bn less than the company had signalled, according to financial documents shared with investors, a massive gap likely to damp optimism about the growth of AI demand." # tech # economy # bubble original Financial Times link (paywalled): https://www. ft.com/content/b66a9858-f8fb-4…
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There is a lot of circular financing, but this is not "empty demand". Microsoft sells compute, openai sells tokens. Yes, they are both customers of each other but Microsoft are spending that money on tokens to build and sell real software. It just so happens that Microsoft have two businesses which are in two parts of the supply chain. There is…
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When measuring the race between artificial intelligence leaders OpenAI and Anthropic, investors have run into a problem: The two private companies calculate a closely watched revenue figure differently.
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For anybody who thought AI companies were about to unlock trillions of dollars in profits, OpenAI has bad news for you: it ain’t happening anytime soon. Some red-hot reporting from the Financial Times just revealed that OpenAI’s annualized revenue — an estimated guess at a company’s income for the year — is roughly $20 billion lower than anybody…
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The Financial Times is reporting that OpenAI’s previously leaked ARR of $70 billion is actually $50 billion. I’ve been wondering when an AI lab would be bitten by treating usage-based revenues as subscription revenue given the former could go down as tokenmaxxing ended and open models got better. https://www. ft.com/content/b66a9858-f8fb-4…
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For those confused, imagine two Uber drivers who each give a ride where the passenger pays $100 and Uber keeps $30. Driver A tells people, “I made $100 on that ride.” Driver B says, “I made $70.” Both took home exactly $70, but Driver A sounds like he’s earning more because he counted the money that went to Uber. That’s basically OpenAI vs…
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BREAKING: OpenAI’s annualized revenue is actually approaching $50 billion, roughly $20 billion less than the $70 billion figure widely reported by media outlets in late September 2026, per FT
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OpenAI: no salimos a Bolsa porque no sabemos lo peligrosos que pueden ser nuestros productos También OpenAI: ¿sabéis esa cifra de que facturábamos 70.000 millones de dólares y que dejamos que circulase por ahí? Pues era menos. 20.000 millones menos, de hecho. # gilIAflautadas # economía # burbujismo # noticias https://www…
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Gift link: https://giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/actions/redeem/f77156...Apparently they overstated revenue in an attempt to try to provide a direct comparison with Anthropic's reported metrics.From the article: "According to a person with knowledge of the matter, the discrepancy arose from attempts by OpenAI’s own investors to produce a direct…
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The entire $20B in ‘missing’ OpenAI revenue was due to its investors trying to count revenue similar to Anthropic's method, and then not telling the FT when it ran with those skewed numbers? Interesting.
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To dig into why OpenAI and Anthropic calculate annualized revenue differently (and why there is a $20B discrepancy): read my March story in @theinformation: https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
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OpenAI tells investors their annualized revenue is $50B for end of September, up from $30B in July, short of the $70B previously reported. Anthropic was at $65B annualized end of July.